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2 points by rocketnia 3341 days ago | link | parent

What about something like this?

I don't know. If it comes up often enough, I think I'd rather have a special (fncall x 'y) ssyntax. Maybe x!y could expand to (fncall x 'y) and x.`y could expand to (x 'y).

1 point by evanrmurphy 3340 days ago | link

I had assumed that since x.'y was read as two distinct symbols, x.`y would be too, but it's not the case:

  arc> 'x.'y
  arc> y   ; still evaluating previous expr
  arc> 'x.`y
Any idea why these are treated differently? Whatever the reason, it means I can use x.`y without hacking the reader. So, thanks for pointing this out to me! ^_^

I'm currently torn about whether to do

  x!y => (x 'y) => (fncall x 'y) => x('y')
  x.`y => (x `y) => (objref x 'y) => x['y']
as you suggested, or the reverse. Leaning toward your way so that functions are totally normal and objects special, rather than having functions with a single quoted arg be some exception.


1 point by evanrmurphy 3339 days ago | link

So I went ahead and implemented it your way. ^_^ For an example of it in action, check out the following from the Hello JQuery tutorial at

  $(document).ready(function() {
     $("a").click(function() {
       alert("Hello world!");
To reproduce this now using my arc-to-js compiler:

  ($.document.`ready (fn ()
    ($!a.`click (fn ()
      (alert "Hello world!")))))
"write much less, do more" ^_^

This example works particularly well because the $("a") jQuery selector can be compiled from $!a. A challenge arises with more complex selectors, as in this snippet from the Find Me: Using Selectors and Events tutorial:

  $(document).ready(function() {
Since $("#ordered list") has the special character #, we're unable to compile it from $!#orderedlist. Either most of the ssyntax has to be sacrificed for parens, as in

  ($.document.`ready (fn ()
    ((($ "#orderedlist") `addClass) "red")))
or Arc's get ssyntax must be used:

  ($.document.`ready (fn ()
    (.`addClass!red ($ "#orderedlist"))))
I hope to post updated source for js.arc and arc.js soon so that people who are interested can start trying out the compiler.


1 point by evanrmurphy 3337 days ago | link

Does anyone know why the reader interprets x.'y as two symbols but x.`y as only one?


2 points by fallintothis 3337 days ago | link

Not quite sure (I suspect it's a bug), but it seems like it has to do with the implementation of make-readtable (which brackets.scm uses).

  $ mzscheme
  Welcome to MzScheme v4.2.1 [3m], Copyright (c) 2004-2009 PLT Scheme Inc.
  > (parameterize ((current-readtable #f)) (read))
  x`y ; read in as two items
  > y
  > (parameterize ((current-readtable (make-readtable #f))) (read))
  x`y ; read in as one symbol
For braver people than me, you might check the source at