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3 points by zck 568 days ago | link | parent

> I've always implicitly assumed that tables were just an implementation detail for templates, and assumed they were like objects. I think that might be why it never occurred to me to apply `len` on a template, and why a large program like news.arc never ran into this gap.

Ah, interesting! Here's some background that might help understand why having them act like tables might help. `len` wasn't the first function that I found didn't work with templates; it was just the simplest. I was working on adding teardown functionality to unit-test.arc, and I wanted to look at some of the suites that were created, to see if I was adding tests properly. As the templates end up pretty big (one suite with two tests is about 25 lines), and it was late at night, I figured I'd make it simple on myself, and just look at the keys of the template.

This had nothing to do with the desired "production" code, but only with REPL-hacking introspection.

I want to make them reasonably easy to REPL-hack with; whether they're actually tables or not I don't particularly care right now. The most important table functions are probably len, keys, vals, and maybe maptable/each.



2 points by akkartik 568 days ago | link

How about some rep-hacking rather than REPL-hacking? :D

   (keys rep.tem)

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3 points by zck 568 days ago | link

Haha, that certainly works. It brings up the question of "what Arc internals should people need to know about?". I've never looked into Arc's tagged types until this issue.

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2 points by akkartik 568 days ago | link

My answer to that question has always been, "it depends." The anti-encapsulation ethos (homoiconicity, using lists where other languages may use objects, the entire compiler fitting in one file and being accessible front-and-center, etc.) means that there's always the ability to peel back another layer of the onion when it becomes relevant.

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2 points by krapp 567 days ago | link

I think it's a documentation issue. I think I had to search the forums to find out about it when I was playing with JSON interop. Nowhere on the actual template page in the Arc documentation does it tell you this is a thing.

Some things I've only been able to figure out by studying the compiler or arc source code itself. Granted, that's illuminating, but it's also sometimes really annoying.

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2 points by rocketnia 567 days ago | link

"to find out about it"

Sorry, to find out about which part?

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2 points by rocketnia 566 days ago | link

Ah, I think I understand: The fact that you can call `rep` on a template instance.

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1 point by akkartik 566 days ago | link

Indeed. It never occurred to me to write about this. Would you be interested in writing something up? I can help you wrestle with the documentation system if you like.

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